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as soon as you get done figuring out, how much is sandy, how much is not sandy, we have to start dealing with the fiscal cliff so there's a shock behind us and a shock in front of us. so we're in limbo right now. and we're expecting a big effect from sandy in the friday number, especially in maybe the household survey, they moved the survey week back a week. because of an early thanksgiving. they do that -- so instead of it being the week of the 12th, it's the week of the 5th. >> so this number is going to tell us nothing tomorrow? > know there's going to be a lot of discussion about it. i'll stick to my guns, it's a 125 to 150 economy growth some of that could be sandy. i don't donknow if you want to k about that chart. this looks at the net effect acceptable. if 30% say it's acceptable and 20% say -- these are what we asked people. how many is that? that's five of eight different solutions. >> people say, yes, we're okay dealing with the fiscal cliff, if you raise taxes on those who make more than $250,000 and then you cap deductions, and virtually everything else is off the table. >>
as soon as you get done figuring out, how much is sandy, how much is not sandy, we have to start dealing with the fiscal cliff so there's a shock behind us and a shock in front of us. so we're in limbo right now. and we're expecting a big effect from sandy in the friday number, especially in maybe the household survey, they moved the survey week back a week. because of an early thanksgiving. they do that -- so instead of it being the week of the 12th, it's the week of the 5th. >> so this...
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now, again, back to hurricane sandy. from the commissioner's statement, the storm we saw happen on october 29th, the next pay period ended on november 12th. the way bls essentially keeps score it says workers have to be off work for the entire pay period to be counted on the negative side. on the household survey side, persons who missed work for weather-related events are counted as employed whether or not they are paid for the time off. we did have a drop in the labor force participation rate, down 0.2 to 63.6%. how did we get to 7.7% unemployment? basically the number of unemployed persons dropped more than the number of employed and there were downward trends in both those categories. lots to chew on. back to you guys. >> hampton, thank you. we are kind of scratching our heads. let's get more reaction from our panel. mark zandi and jared bernstein are here with us. mark, what do you make of this number? we've set this up as numbers were not going to be things we watched closely because of sandy. >> i'd say two things
now, again, back to hurricane sandy. from the commissioner's statement, the storm we saw happen on october 29th, the next pay period ended on november 12th. the way bls essentially keeps score it says workers have to be off work for the entire pay period to be counted on the negative side. on the household survey side, persons who missed work for weather-related events are counted as employed whether or not they are paid for the time off. we did have a drop in the labor force participation...
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of sandy jobless claims relative to katrina. if we don't have that chart -- there it is, great. it goes up and now we're in the down. it may pop back. but the trouble is that the big surge there is probably in the week of -- or is going to affect the week of the employment survey. >> the last week. >> and now, guys, if you have the next one back there, i don't know if you have it, you can see there what we show there is we're looking for only 80,000 jobs on friday. 95 in the private sector. that's a big jobs -- it might be hurricane related, but it could also be cliff related. there's these two things just backing up what joe said, folks, we've got enough to worry about without the stuff that we could probably fix and move on, there's enough going on. you can see that we're going to be substantially below the six-month average that we've been running there. and that shows that, you know, we were not robust to begin with, and this is why guys at the fed are concerned about things like this. if you're going 3% or 4% gdp, you have
of sandy jobless claims relative to katrina. if we don't have that chart -- there it is, great. it goes up and now we're in the down. it may pop back. but the trouble is that the big surge there is probably in the week of -- or is going to affect the week of the employment survey. >> the last week. >> and now, guys, if you have the next one back there, i don't know if you have it, you can see there what we show there is we're looking for only 80,000 jobs on friday. 95 in the private...
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hurricane sandy, though, still making waves. analysts expect the super storm to dent unemployment figures out later today. we'll review that report when we come back. >>> here are the headlines. u.s. job growth is expected to have slowed significantly in november as hurricane sandy battered the economy. japanese authorities have lifted all tsunami warnings after a 7.3 magnitude quake struck off the northeastern coast. and bundesbank has sharply lowered germany's growth outlook from 1.6 to a mere 0.4%. it's warned of an imminent recession as problems in europe periphery weigh. futures at the moment forecasts a soft start. down 15 at the moment on the dow, nasdaq currently called down 3.8, and s&p 500 around 1.5 points. european stocks are flat really. forgave points for the ftse, xetra dax is up though at it highest level since 2008. up nearly 28% this year. flat on the cac, ibex down two thirds. but hurricane sandy is expected to have put a pretty big accident in the november u.s. jobs report. it's out at 8:30 eastern. nonfarm p
hurricane sandy, though, still making waves. analysts expect the super storm to dent unemployment figures out later today. we'll review that report when we come back. >>> here are the headlines. u.s. job growth is expected to have slowed significantly in november as hurricane sandy battered the economy. japanese authorities have lifted all tsunami warnings after a 7.3 magnitude quake struck off the northeastern coast. and bundesbank has sharply lowered germany's growth outlook from 1.6...
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how much of this demand rise are we going to see will be sandy rebound from sandy and actually real demand? >> we have low interest rates and old cars on the road. so a lot of the demand is real demand. but the other thing is that all the checks haven't been written for sandy. we've had about two weeks of checks coming from insurance companies. but there will be more probably next month of that than there is this month. so it will help. but it's the general market conditions and cars that are on average 11.1 years of age that are really driving car sales. in this low interest rate environment, this is the other big ticket item. >> how are people going to fund their purchases? you have an 11-year-old car, how are they funding the replacement of it? >> well, the availability of credit has improved dramatically over the last eight months or so. and we're even seeing people with bumps in their credit history, subprime borrowers, getting more acceptances of their car loans. and of course there are a lot of incentivized interest rates from the manufacturer's financing arms out there, as well. th
how much of this demand rise are we going to see will be sandy rebound from sandy and actually real demand? >> we have low interest rates and old cars on the road. so a lot of the demand is real demand. but the other thing is that all the checks haven't been written for sandy. we've had about two weeks of checks coming from insurance companies. but there will be more probably next month of that than there is this month. so it will help. but it's the general market conditions and cars that...
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some of that is attribute knowledge to superstorm sandy. an estimated quarter million vex were destroyed. those numbers will be out this morning. it would only say that it is speaking to, quote, interested parties. but delta air lines is involved in those sdgzs. virgin is the second largest airline at heath row. >>> and lenny dykstra will be sentenced today. he was found to have hidden and stole sports memorabilia other items that were supposed to be part of a bankruptcy filing. >>> the game of political chicken, we were looking to rise above the partisan politics and trying to get something done. david walker, ceo of the america comeback initiative, steve mcmahon, co-founder of purple strategies, you guys have been on for a while and we've talked about a lot of things. steve, just 1:30 ag ago, you made a point talking about the bush tax cuts. and i said the tax cuts have been near and dear and you said at least bush was smart enough to know that we couldn't afford them so they were sunseted. >> so they were sunseted. >> that may happen. in
some of that is attribute knowledge to superstorm sandy. an estimated quarter million vex were destroyed. those numbers will be out this morning. it would only say that it is speaking to, quote, interested parties. but delta air lines is involved in those sdgzs. virgin is the second largest airline at heath row. >>> and lenny dykstra will be sentenced today. he was found to have hidden and stole sports memorabilia other items that were supposed to be part of a bankruptcy filing....
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and all this despite the effects of hurricane sandy. who knows how high we could have been if it weren't for that darn hurricane? yet the market barely blinked. yet the potential layoffs if we go over the cliff make these rearview numbers seem almost irrelevant to the market. hence the mixed performance of the averages today. sure, dow gained 81 points, but the s&p barely budged, edging up 29%. and the nasdaq actually declined .38%, led once again by the slip sliding away apple, which you know i like, but how many times during a particular show can i say i like it? so with that in mind, what's the game plan for next week? first off, perhaps the most important day of the week is monday. but not for any earnings. not for any releases. that's when we process the results of the weekend talk shows, which you now have to watch as if we were instead of watching, you know, college gameday, i'm watching like some of those other news stations -- and then of course sunday morning whoever -- you don't even pay attention -- football means nothing no
and all this despite the effects of hurricane sandy. who knows how high we could have been if it weren't for that darn hurricane? yet the market barely blinked. yet the potential layoffs if we go over the cliff make these rearview numbers seem almost irrelevant to the market. hence the mixed performance of the averages today. sure, dow gained 81 points, but the s&p barely budged, edging up 29%. and the nasdaq actually declined .38%, led once again by the slip sliding away apple, which you...
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you have fiscal cliff, you have hurricane sandy. are you optimistic about what's happening in the economy if you take out the potential shocks? >> i don't think we make any change at all. i think the job market is producing 150,000 jobs per month, that's what we've been producing since the beginning of the year, over the past year, past two years, some months we're a little lower, higher, sometimes seasonal adjustment. if you take this month's number and x out sandy, that's over 200,000. >> that will add some jobs, that's not a fair comparison. >> so 200,000 minus 60 is 150 -- >> so you're right there. >> i don't think the economy has chang chang changed deappreciably over the last year. >> well, i think coming into friday's number, we're a little -- we don't think there's 80,000 worth of impact, might be closer to 40,000 or 50,000. whatever, there's been an impact and i agree with mark's point, 1 in about 150,000 job creation in the economy and i don't know that meaningfully changes. but i would say, if anything, the bias next year
you have fiscal cliff, you have hurricane sandy. are you optimistic about what's happening in the economy if you take out the potential shocks? >> i don't think we make any change at all. i think the job market is producing 150,000 jobs per month, that's what we've been producing since the beginning of the year, over the past year, past two years, some months we're a little lower, higher, sometimes seasonal adjustment. if you take this month's number and x out sandy, that's over 200,000....
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nonfarm payrolls roads by 136,000 as the hit from hurricane sandy wasn't quite as bad as feared. the unemployment rate fell to a new low of 7.7%, but that was largely because many people had given up looking for work. and nearly half of u.s. companies say they would pull back on hiring if the economy goes over the fiscal cliff. now joining me on krn, jim cash. good morning and thanks for joining us. >> good morning. thank you. >> tell us a little bit about the results of this survey which indicate that companies have been reacting to the fiscal cliff by pulling back on spending or hiring. why haven't we seen that show up in the jobs report? is there a concern that we might see more of a pullback into next year? >> i think that's exactly what this survey is saying. about 50% have already taken some action. i think companies right now are waiting to see what's going to happen and it really comes down to two major issues. if we can get this fiscal cliff issue resolved, then we are looking at a pretty optimismic outlook from our members. but if we don't get the fiscal cliff, almost 6
nonfarm payrolls roads by 136,000 as the hit from hurricane sandy wasn't quite as bad as feared. the unemployment rate fell to a new low of 7.7%, but that was largely because many people had given up looking for work. and nearly half of u.s. companies say they would pull back on hiring if the economy goes over the fiscal cliff. now joining me on krn, jim cash. good morning and thanks for joining us. >> good morning. thank you. >> tell us a little bit about the results of this survey...
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some of that is sandy. you can't disentangle it. i'm sure it would have been better if it weren't for the uncertainty. we saw how bad it was in the summer of '11 and it will be the same now. >> i very much agree with ian on this point, that the uncertainty is associated with the fiscal cliff is at least a percentage point on the fourth quarter. and could be more than that. it's just a lurking weight on the business sector. and if we are going to get this growth, i think we've got to have a little bit more certainty on taxes, on regulation, and the trajectory of fiscal policy going forward. >> what i hear you both saying, though, and you're talking about spending issue, and not worrying so much about that, but i also hear you saying it would be a big mistake to raise taxes. >> absolutely. yeah. >> but the top 2%, is that the least deleterious people to raise it on? >> yeah, it would be. but right now i'd prefer not to raise taxes on anybody. but if you're going to do it, then the people at the lowest propensity to consume -- >> you d
some of that is sandy. you can't disentangle it. i'm sure it would have been better if it weren't for the uncertainty. we saw how bad it was in the summer of '11 and it will be the same now. >> i very much agree with ian on this point, that the uncertainty is associated with the fiscal cliff is at least a percentage point on the fourth quarter. and could be more than that. it's just a lurking weight on the business sector. and if we are going to get this growth, i think we've got to have...
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over the last month, despite hurricane sandy, it is still up 5%. but would going over the fiscal cliff hurt or derail the insurance giant as many expect it to derail business in general? joining me now is the chairman and ceo of allstate. thank you for joining us. president and congressional leaders are meeting with state governors today. you're one of the ceos who met at the white house with some of your other colleagues in business. what's your stance of where we are right now in terms of a deal? >> i'm concerned about it. the good news is everybody sees this as an opportunity to really show american global leadership. the rest of the world is all messed up on this. we can show them how to get it done. they've also all agreed on the three buckets, that being revenues, entitlements, and spending reductions. the bad news is they haven't agreed on how much into each bucket. and i don't think they're trying to create a win/win for each other. most good negotiations, you try to help the other person come out with a win. i don't see that here. >> you h
over the last month, despite hurricane sandy, it is still up 5%. but would going over the fiscal cliff hurt or derail the insurance giant as many expect it to derail business in general? joining me now is the chairman and ceo of allstate. thank you for joining us. president and congressional leaders are meeting with state governors today. you're one of the ceos who met at the white house with some of your other colleagues in business. what's your stance of where we are right now in terms of a...
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the blame goes to superstorm sandy. goldman says the party is officially over for gold. >> starbucks at an investors conference will add 1,500 stores in the u.s. over the next five years. wait until you hear what they said about china. >> a big day in media. pandora ceo joins us live later this morning as the stock fell nearly 20% on weak guidance and netflix signs a big exclusive with disney. how much are they having to pay up for that? >>> let's deal with this big deal. as i've been telling you we'll see a lot of big deals -- i was wrong. here we are. freeport mcmoran buying not one but two companies. the combined price if you add it all together gets close to $20 billion. that does include debt. let's go through some of the details. it's somewhat complex. let's start with bigger of the two deals. freeport's purchase of plains. approximately $6.9 billion in total now. it's a cash and stock deal. .6531 shares and 39 bucks a share in cash. that adds up to $50 a share. that's a fairly significant premium when we look at
the blame goes to superstorm sandy. goldman says the party is officially over for gold. >> starbucks at an investors conference will add 1,500 stores in the u.s. over the next five years. wait until you hear what they said about china. >> a big day in media. pandora ceo joins us live later this morning as the stock fell nearly 20% on weak guidance and netflix signs a big exclusive with disney. how much are they having to pay up for that? >>> let's deal with this big deal....
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how much is blamed on sandy when it shouldn't? >> everything blamed on sandy. that's going to work for a while. once you dig into the details, wait a minute, this isn't all sandy. because the east coast is a very big part of the -- >> obviously oh, yes. >> the economy. >> everybody who has gone through sandy. >> chicago is a big part, texas, california, they weren't affected directly by sandy. so that will come back much quicker if it's going to come back. that's where you have to look, to see what the trend was beforehand. >> okay. now europe. you know, there was a little bit of a -- a confusion this morning when spain asked for a bailout. they're talking bank bailout, country bailout, new program. rates are down. i've seen many stories, if this is really going to be a positive rates being down, we have to really draw in more global investors. do you think that will happen ultimately? >> ultimately, i do think it will. any time europe gets pushed to the background, i'm kind of pleased. as long as their banking system isn't going to affect ours, i think we can
how much is blamed on sandy when it shouldn't? >> everything blamed on sandy. that's going to work for a while. once you dig into the details, wait a minute, this isn't all sandy. because the east coast is a very big part of the -- >> obviously oh, yes. >> the economy. >> everybody who has gone through sandy. >> chicago is a big part, texas, california, they weren't affected directly by sandy. so that will come back much quicker if it's going to come back. that's...
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also matt mccormick, sandy lincoln, and john spolinsani. what do we do between now and the end of the year? >> we wait. you hope there will be a resolution with the fiscal cliff. also 2013 could be a difficult year. it's the first year of the presidential term which is usually a weak un. earnings growth looks a little bit weaker. we are very big on di dends. we believe this is a grinded out market. prepare for instability. >> so it's glass half empty for you right now. >> we'd like to be optimistic but tell clients buy with sound balance sheets. and if the market goes up better, we're in a better position. >> i have to press you on what you say about you like companies that pay better dividends? >> right now you're looking at the. senate bill will will tax for gross incomes of $250,000. that's not a deal killer. there was an article this week talking about how dividends -- people buy dividends for income and downside protection. those issues do not go away regardless of what happens with taxes. people need income. >> you told us last time y
also matt mccormick, sandy lincoln, and john spolinsani. what do we do between now and the end of the year? >> we wait. you hope there will be a resolution with the fiscal cliff. also 2013 could be a difficult year. it's the first year of the presidential term which is usually a weak un. earnings growth looks a little bit weaker. we are very big on di dends. we believe this is a grinded out market. prepare for instability. >> so it's glass half empty for you right now. >> we'd...
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we got the big distortions from san sandy. slowly working through that. so i think if there's an outlier, investors will yawn and wait for the big nonfarm payroll report tomorrow. >> are we comfortable mf-i don't know how comfortable we are. consumers seem to be in better fettl eflt. >> in spite of this anemic job growth that we've had during the entire jobless recovery, it seems like consumers sense the -- their balance sheets have improved pretty dramatically. so, yeah, consumers -- and that's led to consumers spending slightly more than what experts thought they would spend. >> so you're overweight large cap versus small cap. why? >> the large cap u.s. multinationals, they typically have overseas subsidiaries that can reach into the emerging pockets of growth. i like the dividends payers, as well, because in these choppy markets which we'll continue to have get nice dividends. >> all right much ha. . have a good day. that's it for today's program. "squawk box" it is next. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life exp
we got the big distortions from san sandy. slowly working through that. so i think if there's an outlier, investors will yawn and wait for the big nonfarm payroll report tomorrow. >> are we comfortable mf-i don't know how comfortable we are. consumers seem to be in better fettl eflt. >> in spite of this anemic job growth that we've had during the entire jobless recovery, it seems like consumers sense the -- their balance sheets have improved pretty dramatically. so, yeah, consumers...
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post-sandy now reservations have come back from these airlines. there was a lot of worry of cancellations. >> because a lot of families still have not recovered from that. there was a thought that would be a much longer lag. >> bookings have returned to normal. that's key. >> kenny pulkari is here. there's no recipe. >> we might have to do takeout in the herrera household tonight. it's coming, guys, but it probably won't be here until tomorrow. you just have to wait. the market's kind of waiting, too. it's all on washington. i was impressed with yesterday the market was able to hold on to an advance in the face of apple. i think that boded pretty well. >> well, i think that's true but i think apple is a situation and issue unto itself. right? certainly it affects -- you saw what it did to the nasdaq yesterday. but for the broader market i think it does say a lot for the strength of the broader market in terms what have it wants to see. it wants to see the resolution. whether apple goes up or down. if we get a resolution of the fiscal cliff or the
post-sandy now reservations have come back from these airlines. there was a lot of worry of cancellations. >> because a lot of families still have not recovered from that. there was a thought that would be a much longer lag. >> bookings have returned to normal. that's key. >> kenny pulkari is here. there's no recipe. >> we might have to do takeout in the herrera household tonight. it's coming, guys, but it probably won't be here until tomorrow. you just have to wait. the...
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>> we know it will be worse than it would have been because of super storm sandy. so you didn't know how much it was to do with that and how much was the economy. so it will be a bit of a wash in terms of reading the tea leaves for the u.s. >> so the growth picture for the u.s., we sort of 1%, 2%, depending on what happens with the fiscal cliff. what do you think, 2.5%? >> yeah, i think we should be 2.5% to 3% by the end of next year. >> which might be a slightly better outturn. china seems to be back on track. is there anything in europe -- what's the tail risk at the moment? >> i think there's two things that could still go wrong in europe. one, there's always political risk. in italy, you do have elections coming up. there's a chance getting a higher share than people anticipate. but even then, the financial forces are going to force any government that comes into power to more or less stick to the plan morsi set out. on the other hand, there's always spain, the worries that with 25% unemployment, that you would see the default rate particularly on residential m
>> we know it will be worse than it would have been because of super storm sandy. so you didn't know how much it was to do with that and how much was the economy. so it will be a bit of a wash in terms of reading the tea leaves for the u.s. >> so the growth picture for the u.s., we sort of 1%, 2%, depending on what happens with the fiscal cliff. what do you think, 2.5%? >> yeah, i think we should be 2.5% to 3% by the end of next year. >> which might be a slightly better...